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AV8R wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:32 am

RPlant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:58 am

AV8R wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:05 am Yes, she said they had went up. The question you dodged however was about the laws in Indiana.

The crime being charged is violating Federal gun law, essentially interstate trafficking. Indiana's state law is irrelevant, beyond it being inadequate to Illinois' and contributing to the problem.

If it’s federal law why did you say this then a few comments back?

Why are gun shops in Northern Indiana circumventing Illinois law?

Because they are. You just wanting to play semantics around the truth to avoid it.

What specific Illinois law applies to private businesses in Indiana?

AV8R wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:23 pm What specific Illinois law applies to private businesses in Indiana?

Exactly, therein lies the problem and why they are being charged with Federal gun running crimes. The "private business" of selling guns with marginal background checks and no FOID card in Indiana only to have those same guns reappear during crimes committed in Illinois which requires them is the underlying problem and you know it.

Comparing Illinois and Indiana Gun Laws: Possession and Purchase
https://www.wthitv.com/content/news/Com ... 58011.html
News 10's Heather Good spoke with two experts on each side of the border to compare.

Bill Brown is a deputy with the Clark County Sheriff's Office, a firearms instructor and is an expert on Illinois gun law. Chris Wrede is a Terre Haute City Court judge and is an expert on Indiana gun law.

Even though they share a border, Indiana and Illinois gun laws are vastly different in some big ways.

Wrede explains, in Indiana, a person does not need a permit to have a firearm.

Illinois residents do need a permit.

Brown says, "In the state of Illinois, they have to have what's called a FOID card. Firearms Owner Identification card. We are the only state in this country where that's required."

FOID cards are issued through the Illinois State Police Department. To get one, Brown explains, a person must answer questions for a background check.

He says, "It asks you about misdemeanor convictions, felony convictions, mental issues, if a person is having any kind of mental issues, mental health adjudications or things of that nature is what they're looking for."

If approved, you must carry the FOID card with you anytime you are in possession of a firearm.

Brown explains a person must be at least 21-years-old to get a FOID card unless they get a signature from a parent who already has a FOID card.

People convicted of a felony or violent misdemeanor cannot get a FOID card. If a person already has a FOID card and is later convicted the state police will revoke the card.

When it comes to buying a firearm from a licensed dealer buyers have to fill out a Firearms Transaction Record, also called ATF Form 4473. Buyers have to do this in every state.

In Indiana, once the form is processed and approved the buyer can walk out with the gun. Wrede explains there are two other possible outcomes. When the form is submitted a buyer could get a "delayed" response. This could happen for various reasons and means more time is needed to approve the application. If there is no response after 72 hours, the seller can transfer the gun to the buyer. The form could also be denied. Wrede says most approvals happen within seconds if done electronically and sometimes minutes if done over the phone.

Wrede says, "Indiana allows civilian transfer of firearms, or ownership of firearms, without having to go through the 4473 form."

According to Brown, the same is true for Illinois private sales.

The difference in Illinois is, once again, a buyer must have that FOID card.

In Illinois, there is a 72-hour waiting period before a buyer can pick-up a handgun after getting approval. There is a 24-hour waiting period before a buyer can pick up a long gun after approval. It is the same regardless if a seller is a dealer or a private citizen.

This is only a snapshot of the laws regarding gun sales and there are more differences regarding how guns can be carried.
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So the short answer to my question is NONE.

AV8R wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:58 am So the short answer to my question is NONE.

Is your question suppose to serve as some sort of diversion from Indiana's culpability in aiding their gun stores breaking Federal law with regards to Chicago gun violence?

No. My question served to highlight your ignorance on the topic by your conflating state and federal laws and the lack of any authority of Illinois laws outside the physical boundaries of the state.

AV8R wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:38 pm No. My question served to highlight your ignorance on the topic by your conflating state and federal laws and the lack of any authority of Illinois laws outside the physical boundaries of the state.

Since most of the last 13 pages @Toldyouso's topic of "Mass Shootings" in Chicago is a failed implication of this being just a minority problem and a Democratic run City issue, its funny how I'm getting the most push back from the real genesis of the problem being the neighboring state of Indiana's relaxed gun laws and subsequent trafficking of said guns in violation of Federal law.

It would seem the real problem is uncomfortable for the unfettered 2nd amendment folks in the room.

Because we don't blame an inanimate hunk of steel as the genesis of the problem.

AV8R wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:57 am Because we don't blame an inanimate hunk of steel as the genesis of the problem.

Funny, how many drive by stabbings happen in Chicago?

RPlant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:14 pm

AV8R wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:57 am Because we don't blame an inanimate hunk of steel as the genesis of the problem.

Funny, how many drive by stabbings happen in Chicago?

More than you think.
In addition to the (now) 627 shooting deaths, there have been at least 35 stabbing deaths in the city since January 1st.